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RE: https://mastodon.social/@grimalkina/116245734619677476

I will not be able to absolutely 360 no-scope your reply-guy ass quite as devastatingly as Cat does here, but I hope that this will be instructive to our European friends. Beyond the casual misogyny here (don't do casual misogyny), please don't ever reply to people who live in the US "But that's US-centric". Sometimes it just is, and that's fine. Sometimes we actually know a lot more about the subject than you do, and it's not "US-centric", it's "people who know anything about the topic" centric

Cat Hicks

@[email protected] · 2 months ago

@dj3ei Here's some research relevant to women in Germany including monitoring from your own health monitoring infrastructure:

https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/31/Supplement_3/ckab164.778/6405271?login=false

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6790957/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26818655/

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/19/14/8277

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6288397/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19564209/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8864567/

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2025/778519/IUST_STU(2025)778519_EN.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10114529/

Glyph

@[email protected] · 2 months ago

I understand that it must feel unfair to residents of every other country in the world that our decrepit autocrat's psychodrama has to be _your_ problem every single day, and it must feel like the world revolves around us. But:

1. Most of us, especially those of us you'll run into online, already agree with you about that.

2. People live where they live and have their experiences that they have. If you have *knowledge* on a particular topic from a non-US perspective, that can be welcome.

Glyph

@[email protected] · 2 months ago

But—and this is important—3. There is absolutely never any reason to say "I dunno, sounds like that's only interesting to people in the US, don't talk about that." That is a useless, derailing, infuriating, and often *completely incorrect* reply. There are plenty of other people outside the US who engage with our work regularly and are able to comment on it just fine without retreating into this weird reverse-jingoism.

「Carmilla」 luné's villain era

@[email protected] · 2 months ago

@glyph there are def ways americans can post annoyingly online.

but at some point it really seems like "hey if you're annoyed Americans are posting about America*, maybe stop following Americans?"

* I know this thread is about more general posting. but I have seen a lot of snippy vagueposting in the past that seems like it could be solved by just unfollowing people that are that annoying to the poster!

「Carmilla」 luné's villain era

@[email protected] · 2 months ago

@glyph s/Americans/estadounidenses/g or something, probably. I am trying to excise that particular phrase from my vocab.

(not that it meaningfully changes my point).

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Glyph

@[email protected] · 2 months ago

@lunemercove If someone has a specific way in which a thing I posted is insensitive to folks outside the US, in a way I may not have understood, I am always happy to hear about it and try to correct that in the future. But there is a particular Type Of Guy—almost always a white, european, middle-aged man from one of a handful of countries (Germany, France, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria) who thinks "Hey, it sounds like you're from the US, and I don't like that!" is an insightful contribution

abadidea

@[email protected] · 2 months ago

@glyph the part about “well she can’t be European, because her website doesn’t have an impressum” really stood out to me, bro you just confused Germany for Europe

Damien de Lemeny

@[email protected] · 2 months ago

@glyph while the aforementioned reply was absolute ass and got a well deserved kickback with added momentum, I don't think the point was "don't talk about that", rather "I'd like it to be more clear if this is something that concerns me".

The answer was yes, and not inferring it was an unambiguous display in misogyny, but the problem of non-geographically anchored discourse on the internet is a real issue.

Latam variant : try to guess if an ecommerce website ships to your country.

Glyph

@[email protected] · 2 months ago

@ddelemeny yeah there are several layers to the shittiness in this case and it's maybe a little tough to peel them apart, but there's a huge difference between "this sounds really interesting and I'm curious to know if it affects people in my country" and "it's rude not to declare where you live before posting, why aren't you following Germany's weird self-doxxing law, this probably only applies to the US anyway"

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