I think this (RAM prices) will end up having an impact on Mastodon btw, unless they come down, as it will push up server costs. Mastodon is RAM hungry.
I think this (RAM prices) will end up having an impact on Mastodon btw, unless they come down, as it will push up server costs. Mastodon is RAM hungry.
@GossiTheDog A RAM futures market?
@GossiTheDog It is fortunate the Windows 11 refreshes (ought to) be mostly wrapped up
(I am pretty sure 'ought to' is doing a lot of work in this sentence)
@GossiTheDog I wonder how long before we see targeted thefts of systems with lots of ram? That 10X upsell is probably very tempting. 🤔
@GossiTheDog yeah looked up my kit i bought start of the year
5x
@GossiTheDog Wow! Free shipping! It's not nothing! 
Their bills shouldn't change though. The big companies enter into dedicated/reserved prices for AWS/Azure instances. The reason ram prices are insane is because Micron has exited the consumer market and Samsung has cut back a lot. Even though a lot of the specialty high-bandwidth memory is getting soldered directly to nvidia compute units, they should still be demand for a ton of expensive RDIMMs, Registered ECC and other modular enterprise shit.
If MSI, ASRock, et. al. others are smart, they'll have designs up last week for AM5 consumer boards that take server ram in in anticipation of cashing in on the bubble explosion.
@GossiTheDog
We're going to have a real fun fiscal year...
$3k RAM running Chrome.exe, might sell my PC and buy a car
@GossiTheDog Not quite that much, but still... Bought a pair of Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 6400 sticks (for 128GB) at $329 U.S. in August for a system upgrade in September.
They are listing for $1,484 right now...
I'd love to say I brilliantly saw that coming, but...
@GossiTheDog
192 GB!? Who do you think you are, Croesus?
For those who haven't got the backstory here, a GenAI company basically pre-ordered 40% of the world's RAM to lock out competitors... then Micron, who make their profits by making RAM, decided to also stop making RAM to chase GenAI fad.
So now PCs and servers are basically unaffordable. Nobody is quite sure what will happen.
@GossiTheDog Apologies if the following was covered elsewhere in the thread...
In addition to OpenAI buying 40% of the global DRAM supply OpenAI’s competitors, OEMs, and cloud providers scrambled to secure whatever inventory remained out of self-defense. This locked down a significant about of the global supply. This is already lead to death of certain video card models and will likely lead to other products being killed or having restricted production runs. Unless something surprising happens the impacts will get worse and it is unlikely to improve much in the next 12 months.
I'll just keep running DDR4 RAM until people have sorted out what they want to do.
@GossiTheDog My guess/hope is that people will move to linux and keep their old computers running longer and faster. Eventually the tech bros will blow themselves up and things will return, but to a new normal.
I think this (RAM prices) will end up having an impact on Mastodon btw, unless they come down, as it will push up server costs. Mastodon is RAM hungry.
@GossiTheDog Mastodon in Firefox seems to be a lot memory hungry.
@GossiTheDog we need to conserve posting so the poor servers don't go hungry :(
@GossiTheDog more hungry than other platforms you say?
@GossiTheDog so people cannot bij computers, so cannot use AI. makes perfect sense.
@GossiTheDog More virtualisation is clearly the answer.
If you can't get more physical RAM, then the solution is just create a virtual machine with whatever virtual RAM you need....
(Fairly certain I've heard a CIO un-jokingly state something very similar to this before)
@GossiTheDog When working for a wafer fab back in the 90s, the 16 MByte (Mega!) RAM packs were more expensive than their weight in gold. History repeating….
32 GBytes of DDR5 6000 M/T DIMMs (2x16) is now ~£315 is what happened. I bought a set with fast timings for £125 not that long ago.
SSD and GPU pricing is also going up.
@GossiTheDog either the bubble will burst, and having ramped up HBM production, HBM prices will plummet. Or buying anything that needs memory is going to be expensive for a while.
@GossiTheDog Have you seen the price of Silver!!! Needed for all that hitec ev shit and pv panels. It’s a consumable metal.
@GossiTheDog NVidia seems to already be planning to only allow renting gaming on their GPUs through cloud…
@GossiTheDog Unfortunately we can guess what will happen next. "We are over our IT budget" "I'll cut back on the security team and replace everyone with AI"
@GossiTheDog Well, we are left with smaller frames... In other words, small ones are not that expensive (As I remember), i.e. 4GB to 8 GB (the prices above are astronomical)
@GossiTheDog Actually, OpenAI:
- signed just a non-binding Letter of Intent.
- the strong hint here is that details when, for how long and at which price are completely left open ("to be discussed").
- but it triggered panic buying by the big IT companies,
- which led to full order books and 10% higher stock prices for the RAM makers.
- so nobody is rushing out to point out that OpenAI has absolutely no use for unfinished RAM wafers.
@GossiTheDog I guess it will stop hardware upgrades for some time. I don't think there is a lot of software that 'needs' those upgrades, at least on end user devices. Games come to mind, but nobody really needs games, people just want them.
But I am out of IT field for some time, so I could be wrong.
@GossiTheDog I wonder if the bubble will burst before a new competitor emerges.
With as much as prices have climbed, there's got to be a couple companies looking to jump into the RAM market to take advantage of the easy profits & opportunity to secure marketshare.
@GossiTheDog Governments not (yet) beholden to organized crime should investigate what is likely an attempt to lock people & businesses in to proprietary corporate devices/operating systems.
@GossiTheDog congratulations. The software they want everyone to use so that they can (maybe) turn a profit cannot be used because the components to build a pc, even a prefabs are now astronomically expensive.
@da_667 what you need to do is rent an AI PC with an AI browser, please insert blood to get 4 minutes access time
@GossiTheDog @da_667 its ok, I didn't need my kidneys anyway..
@GossiTheDog the future we deserve.
@GossiTheDog its like the best of the late 80s and early 90s when computers were astronomically expensive. Like, thousands of dollars.
@GossiTheDog Who knows, it might make some companies start optimizing software to be less memory-intensive. Not sure if C-suite types would understand that's a possible solution.
@GossiTheDog I bet that's a killer game of solitaire
@GossiTheDog when did memory get so expensive?
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