Whatever devs are seeing in their immediate environment that turns them into believers in LLM-coding is objectively not being carried forward into the products and services as experienced by actual end users.
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@baldur the difference is that an experienced dev using AI can produce high quality code by fixing whatever crap the AI puts out and thus being more productive.
A random vibe coder by definition is not an experienced dev and they do not understand that whatever is the output of the AI needs work before it is production ready but they ship it anyway because it works (for a certain definition of ‘works’).
@baldur I had an interesting conversation with a long time friend last night who successfully took a company public (and then lost pretty much all the money he made.) over the course of the conversation it became really clear to me that his entire mindset was "it doesn't matter if the code is shit, by the time the tech debt comes due, you should have sold the company already."
I feel like I have a very different understanding of why these guys love AI coding so much.
@baldur Impostor syndrome works because some people appear way smarter than they are. At least until the right circumstances arise.
@baldur You've left me curious as to what brain-cooking extras Iceland has gone through though!
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@larsmb So, given that we are an island nation with a low population that mostly speaks the same language, we've historically been very prone to both cultural and financial bubbles.
Our banks have had many more bubbles and collapses than is the Nordic average. We had a biotech finance bubble forming around Decode Genetics that didn't appear elsewhere. Eve:online was a mini investment bubble domestically. We also get weird consumer bubbles when 90% of the population all buys into the same thing.
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@larsmb The Secret was also huge here. Much bigger than in the UK where I was living at the time
We're an odd bunch. TBH. You should generally be worried whenever you see an Icelandic company expand internationally, especially in finance.
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Well... for default developers (the ones that care only for features and time to market), that betterness is obvious.
Cyber beancounters may see things differently, but who cares for these security nitpickers, anyway?
> At this stage it feels like the strategy is to simply wear out all dissenting voices.
Guys... have you actually tried early 2026 state-of-the-art tools like https://antigravity.google, which work on whatever you have checked out on your machine? If not... has it occurred to you that perhaps the reason for the disconnect is you are not equipped to have a relevant opinion yet?
...just a thought...
Whatever devs are seeing in their immediate environment that turns them into believers in LLM-coding is objectively not being carried forward into the products and services as experienced by actual end users.
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@baldur this makes an excellent point about #Product development and #UX in general, as proven through the fallacy of these new tools.
We haven’t magically gotten better at: understanding users, mapping coherent experiences, predicting future needs and wants, prioritizing on a grand scale, finding genuinely good and valuable problems to solve, working together as a team, resolving disagreements, building genuine alignment, visualizing the future.
It was never about making code.
@baldur this makes an excellent point about produce development in general, as proven through the fallacy of these new tools.
We haven’t magically gotten better at: understanding users, mapping coherent experiences, predicting future needs and wants, prioritizing on a grand scale, finding genuinely good and valuable problems to solve, working together as a team, resolving disagreements, building genuine alignment, visualizing the future.
It was never about making code.
@baldur They probably all use that secret prompt suffix "And don't lie to me" that makes the output soooo much better for their own tools. This is what probLLMatic colleagues told me, at least 🤷
"It is very easy to be blinded to the essential uselessness of [them] by the sense of achievement you get from getting them to work at all."
-- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams
@baldur Glad to read this. I just a beginner, in my first intership doing some web development. The vibe code produced by(?) my peers is indeed a fcking hell of a mess. When I read experienced devs saying how good their vibe coding tools are, it doesn’t feel right, but what a beginner like myself know? It has to be better than the shit I see daily, I thought, specially when I’m out of the current consensus. Feels like there’s some gaslighting shit going on.
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@gregrorio I've been in web development since the late 90s and there's definitely some gaslighting shit going on.
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@baldur @gregrorio I go back to the mid 90s and I keep thinking to myself that I am so glad I'm near the end of my professional web development career because I am not a fan of the path it seems to be taking.
@baldur At this stage it feels like the strategy is to simply wear out all dissenting voices.