Don't get me wrong, I think I know how reality works
It's not gonna change within a year or maybe 50..
But at some point people have to start and fight back
If we keep repeating "It's just how it is" shit will NEVER change
I refuse to accept shit as is, otherwise what's the point of everything
@stux i believe many want to fight but if you have children and loved one it is hard to fight as there is high chance to die. Look what happened in Minnesota. I am not sure if USA is a democracy anymore.
@stux hit 'em with history? anyone within spitting distance of "elderly" was around for the reagan tax cuts (from 70% to 50%). if they're actually oldies, then they were around for kennedy/johnson cutting rates from 90% to 70%.
so yeah, no, that's not how it has to be.
@stux It’s a conundrum because not caring or just accepting or only working on things that I can change is a good way to inner peace and the mental health that I need and maybe that’s why those people are how they are. But boy we need to fight back like hell, too.
@stux My very comfortably off sister said a while back that she has no problems with people becoming wealthy. I forgot to ask her both whey she said it and why she meant it.
Wealthy people on a planet with BILLIONS in poverty ...
@stux Though i agree there's this: the older, the more wars experienced and the more war-weary.
Grew up during the cold war, had a glimpse, a moment of hope when the soviet enemy fell, lost that after during both Iraq wars, 9/11, Aleppo, Bucha, 7/10 and recently tRump and his maggats.
57, Seriously think i'm not going to make it to 60. Have hit the Hopium too often, it doesn't work any more.
@stux boomers are addicted to convenience and adverse to change.
H. G. Wells got the Eloi and the Morlocks the wrong way round.
@stux
Maybe they feel powerless. Maybe they are lazy.
Hard to say.
But yes, it's a very common phenomenon.
@stux they sound like someone who understands how difficult it is to tax a powerful person with almost unlimited resources who can pay experts and workers to execute anything while they themselves sit on the beach un-bothered by any of it.
Sounds like they might be comfortable people and the suffering hasn't reached them yet, maybe?
People have to get fed up, out of patience. High empathy people can get fed up with the suffering of others. Low empathy people have to suffer directly, or see people just like themselves suffering, before they can get fed up.
@jayflo I remeber my parents build a house a year before i was born, it was a pretty huge house and i estimate under half a million at the time
Currently it's almost 3 times that 
(they dont own it anymore)
A house we recently wanted to rent was on market for 450K and it was a relative simple house
We don't stand a chance
@stux I am not sure *how* old these elderly people are but a good portion of elderly people aren't truly aware of "just how it is".
As just a surface example, I bought my home in 1999 for about $140k, and a home just like mine on my street recently sold for over $600k. My parents see this sort of thing on the news and are aware of it and will say things like "it must be hard for young people to buy a home if they are barely making $200k/year eh?" And I am like "oh mum they're lucky to make much more than half that" and they are just mind blown.
My parents were born before WW2 and grew up through the end of the depression and wartime rations so know hardship, but have lived their entire lives through fairly constant progress and prosperity. For older boomers they don't even know that pre war hardship, and comfortably retired they are all quite isolated from the experience of young adults. They cannot conceive of the concept 1st world society has unacceptably declined in recent years.
@stux
Learned helplessness?
Age has taught me that there are some things that no matter how vile, are just inevitable, and there are hard limits on how much one can do about them. When you have expended tons of energy and emotion on something only to see it revert each time, you start picking your fights to only those where you can make a difference.
Sometimes that is mistaken, because it was actually possible, but sometimes it is realistic
@mloxton I had such an idea but still..
The point of acceptance if the same as giving up I guess?
Don't get me wrong, I think I know how reality works
It's not gonna change within a year or maybe 50..
But at some point people have to start and fight back
If we keep repeating "It's just how it is" shit will NEVER change
I refuse to accept shit as is, otherwise what's the point of everything
@stux Usonians ‘Americans’ think of FDR’s new deal as more fair, equitable . Actually, from the depression, to Reagan’s election. Although there was a little thing called WWII thrown into the mix, for good or ill.
@stux it's more insidious. Some will not act in case of utter injustice/abuse. Some will even find excuses to call legal things illegal if "they don't agree". Such people are a danger at times.
@stux
I think that sort of lazy thinking is present across the generations.
Society has always* seemed to be split into those who accept the status quo, those who don't, and those who are prepared to attempt to change society.
(*Speaking as a 70 year old)
I don't think these divisions are necessarily driven by class or education, more by life experiences, and maybe to some extent the attitude of parents.
The ones who fight for change need the 'passive' group for support (moral, financial & political). The passive group can influence the 'acceptance' group to change their views, and to take simple action like voting differently.
People may slowly move between groups as their circumstances change.
Just my theory.
Hold the faith!
@[email protected] It feels like I spend half my life arguing either "if we don't keep saying this is wrong it will never change" or "this isn't going to change any time soon so we need to..."
This includes the arguing with myself. It's so hard some days to have the serenity to keep on believing things can and should change and doing what's possible, while also dealing with the reality of what's here right now. But it is also the only way to live life where I can both survive now and live with myself later.
