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@susankayequinn @mavnn I do also notice that the chart says "of all men", not of 18-25 men or something. So it's certainly possible that of 18-25 men, their misogyny is comparatively flat or improving, and it's largely that older men are getting just that much worse.
@JessTheUnstill @susankayequinn @mavnn my personal head canon is that a lot of men have ALWAYS felt this way but lied to the press because they knew being honest would make women "all uppity" and piss them off.
Now that women are not trusting men At All and are analyzing actions not words... And rising egalitarianism means that nasty boys reciting the spells of old no longer gets them laid... They're being honest. And in very "LOCK DOWN AND TRACK WHATCHU GOT, FELLAHS!" ways.
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I think there is some of that, but honestly I think the reality is a lot more complex than a single chart (or my initial exasperated comment). People feeling 'allowed to say what they really think' is a thing, but so is people changing opinion, even quite fast, and not having the self awareness to notice. We all tend to assume we've always been like we are now, and a lot of people don't challenge the assumption.
@mavnn @susankayequinn @epilonious
2017 hadn't had #metoo so there wasn't nearly as much self confidence among women to say "No, That's enough." And thus there wasn't as much need for an aggressive reactionary attitude towards women. It's a lot easier to espouse egalitarian beliefs when you still get everything you wanted. When there's a real risk of having consequences to your beliefs, and all of the biggest name men role models are the most toxic of the toxic, then attitudes shift and what you say on a survey shift.
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] about the age range thing: I hope that's true. I'm also in a smallish town in Italy, so gender related social dynamics have a bunch of other factors playing in.
@mavnn @JessTheUnstill @epilonious
it's important to remember the backlash is severe because the progress is real
and also that the young men who broke for Trump because they were promised the rewards of patriarchy are already changing their minds about that
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]
The backlash when there's progress part is undoubtably real; I saw at least a couple of people who were nominally egalitarian just flat out refuse to believe that #metoo was real, for example. And when someone points out to the meeting chair that they have asked the only non-male person to take the minutes again they basically have the choice of deciding they want to change or just deciding that maybe "the women" were really always the problem after all. Doesn't stop the pushback grossing me out though!
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