Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/
@GossiTheDog Mass murders telling on themselves:
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It could be worse, they could power it from the Polish power grid \s
(~75% coal and oil + 20% gas power mix)
@GossiTheDog "if we don't accelerate global warming then China will build bigger server farms than us," wow, that's a really convincing case. obviously I'm being sardonic here but the wretched thing is, European (and American) politicians respond reliably to Sinophobia
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Especially odd to even think of considering this trade off given that over the next 20 or 30 years climate change will hit Europe harder than the USA, Russia or China.
I'm sure it hasn't occurred to any of the interested parties that increasing the number of damaging weather events would hit the European economy, demoralise its people, and raise support for authoritarian governments to "sort it out, whatever it takes".
@GossiTheDog This seems even more egregiously slimy when 'AI' is only as close to the surface, in the US, as it is because a lot of its alleged infrastructure buildout has not actually happened; and, so far, it appears that 'fast follower' is a very efficient way of doing things even if you want this stuff.
The tragedy is that, somehow, these guys get taken seriously despite failing most of the conditions for actually being a serious corporate pressure group, like making money.
@GossiTheDog The headline is technically correct, though. This shit can't collapse soon enough.
@[email protected] You'd hope tactics like this would be self-defeating, but unfortunately that "hope" is bearing rather a lot of weight I'm not sure it can support.
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I think it's great that AI lobbyists state the obvious here.
The EU has a "The European Climate Law" that has the goal of becoming climate-neutral by 2050.
If AI lobbyists say that they have to choose, courts will hopefully take that choice from them.
(Also I hope that bureaucracy will delay that crap until the bubble pops)
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They don't have an real choices any more - with nuclear power an AI they must be content to live as beasts of the field.
@GossiTheDog ”AI” has become nothing but a fossil fuel lobbying campaign. The Chinese must be laughing their asses off.
@GossiTheDog considering the AI industry is a trillion dollars in debt and solar is profitable, the ethics don't even really need to be considered. Don't do things that don't make sense. Simple.
@GossiTheDog I find it weird that Politico has an image in the article showing heat pipes from a cooling system of a datacenter. This has nothing to do with the actual topic.
And the main issue is not if we have the power to run the datacenters, but the needed emergency generators, which currently all are based on gas turbines, the most convenient solution. Imagine having a gigawatt datacenter, how many gas turbines would you need to run it in case the main power drops down?
@GossiTheDog what is this, an episode of "Captain Planet"??
@GossiTheDog He's absolutely right though. You can either "go green" to "save the plant", sanction Russian gas, fall behind the USA, and let China win. Or you could try to catch up on computing power by increasing energy production as much as possible. You can't do both. The EU must choose. I'm sure that it will make the wrong choice, as usual.
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I'm still astonished that no one has kicked the AI designers back to the drawing board, to only come back when they can provide a normal, power-efficient implementation of their tools...
@GossiTheDog I mean, I know why, but like, how is this even a debate?!
@GossiTheDog Let me rewrite that headline:
"Europe must choose between making trillionaires and survival"
@GossiTheDog Ok. Climate goals then. What’s the point of AI if we’re dead?
@GossiTheDog Hard choices between billionaire income and survival of the species have to be done...
@GossiTheDog Well, climate goals, no doubt.
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