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Ya know, if you *try* to see the horrific sexism in the geek trades, I guarantee that you will see it.
Honest to God, these women are not making this shit up. They're not exaggerating. They're not lying. They're not overly sensitive.
It's fucking real, and it's fucking endemic, and if you're a guy in the geek trades, you need to open your fucking eyes and see it for what it is.
@GeePawHill geek trades?
@GeePawHill 100% facts. Been aghast at this since being an undergrad in the 90s. University of Sydney Computer Science department had people like the tutor Jim Watts who had a Asian girlie calendar up in his office and would tell Asian female students how great they looked. A good chunk tutors regarded tutoring first years as a dating opportunity.
Civ Eng stories way worse.
Then people have the nerve to publicly ponder the pipeline problem; often the same people who ignored the situation.
@GeePawHill I feel this so hard, had an interview with 2 female interviewers, technical interview. I am still mad at myself for being a surprised it was 2 female interviewers, and I fucking hate that.
When my wife pointed out the fact that most TV ads were men telling women how to do housework (in the noughties, IDK if TV is still like that), it was like putting on the shades in the movie They Live! It was everywhere, and I hadn't ever noticed because it had always been that way.
@GeePawHill I had a guy friend tell me he "didn't feel comfortable asking about DEI and stuff during interviews because it's none of his business"
YES, it IS your business unless you don't want this to change. Ask for it. Make it a point. Make it the very first question you ask. Make them feel uncomfortable when they answer it (it's going to be a horrible answer and we know it). It's your business too.
@GeePawHill everyone in this thread might want to read this. https://irenezhang.net/blog/2024/07/24/misogyny.html
If anything they underplay it.
I get told a lot of those stories, and I hope it means the minority person trusts me with the story.
see also geek and nerd hobbies and fansom.
see also geek and nerd hobbies and fansom.
After #MeToo hit the news in 2017, I realized my enthusiasm for #ScienceFiction conventions had almostly completely fallen away, largely because, thinking back over the years, of the creeper bullshit nearly all the men subjected me to. (I can think only a •very• small list of exceptions.) My •friends• ("friends") even. And also, by that point, I'd hit the Age of Invisibility. So, while I wasn't actively being skeeved on, I also couldn't even strike up a conversation.)
@GeePawHill Amen.
One of the reasons I think some folks try to avoid seeing sexism/racism is because then they have to realize it was there all along and they missed it.
Like some weird “sunk cost” thing.
@GeePawHill You don't need to try to see it. You need to stop trying not to see it.
@GeePawHill my mother was a STEM professional and didn’t take shit. I had to have my own career to find out that sexism is out there
@GeePawHill Followup...
Companies keep saying that they want to attract more women to work in tech. My question is that what are they doing to keep us there. Because right now it seems they are just looking for new victims.
@Niina Please never mistake me for an apologist for corporations.
@GeePawHill They see it very well. And enjoy it.
@Niina I know that this will upset you, and I won't follow-up, you can have the last word here.
No they don't.
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