@jwz isn't Mozilla still a weird arm of Google?
https://spyglass.org/google-apple-and-mozilla-win-in-the-antitrust-case-google-lost/

@jwz I would also support taking back control of Firefox OS / KAI OS and being the alternate phone option that's not owned but TechBros. Nokia and KAI OS let down their customers badly and should Open-Source their code.

@jwz I just want to be able to use Firefox without sometimes having to switch to a chromium browser to get a site working lol

@jwz Mozilla is hopeless. @Vivaldi is nice.

@jwz They can do one or two other things...MDN is fasntastic...but otherwise agree lol

@jwz undoing boost because it keeps saying this post is being edited yet I do not see any edit history. Bizarre. I need to know what’s changing if I wanted to leave it.

@jwz How many times are you gonna edit this post dude

@jwz Remind us, what was the original post you quoted? Because it seems they might've blocked you, perhaps in response to this?

Was it from [email protected]? Did they not like they responses they're getting?

@jwz That survey was an exercise in asking us to please please let them do the AI.
Here's my response:
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"Please, if management want to suck at the teet of AI and the grifting engine, spin out the browser and email clients. Let the community safeguard those. I don't even mind if you keep the names Firefox and thunderbird. But we can't afford for AI to be permanently entwined in this browser. We have forks but we need more community governance clear of the current hype in silicon valley."

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@jwz agreed, if someone wants LLM integration in their browser - let them install it as a plugin. Or just use Comet instead. Firefox should be like the kernel, everythiing else is userspace programs

@jwz curiously the question on what you're worried about does not include any reference to the absurdly high environmental cost

@jwz my response to "What do you want to see from Mozilla..."

"The complete removal of all LLM AI from all of their products, it's not a feature people want or are asking for & your CEO suffering FOMO is not a justification for foisting it on your user base

We use your products because they DON'T have LLM AI in them"

@jwz Something really annoying is that this is a survey by the *Mozilla Foundation*, not the *Mozilla Corporation* :/

The foundation doesn't develop the browser. They're supposed to "lead the open-source Mozilla project", but most of what they do is advocacy and outreach, along with some grants for non-browser projects.

@jwz Amen, jwz!
Fuck AI.

@jwz oof, that survey: the last section is a tone deaf ‘how shall we prioritize AI’ sea of checkboxes, lacking a “fucking DON’T!” Option. SMH.

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Done that, and then comes the begging page. .. They do AI? I don't donate.

@jwz I don't disagree really, but it's not necessarily clear cut. Where's the line for what just a browser is? Does that include password management? Extensions? Themes? Tabs? Translation? Developer tools? Bookmarks?

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I might sound a bit underducated on this, but I also wish they could make the Gecko rendering engine more independently usable. It pisses me off that every new browser is based on Chromium. imo if we make the rendering engine more popular, it will get way more attention and people jumping in to fix issues lying around for years because of lack of staff.

@jwz Make everything AI free Mozilla. We already have human intelligence. AI is simply regurgitating stolen human intelligence

@jwz But look you can run it locally on your machine, and it helps to code better and faster, and it really doesn't consume as many resources as you think, I have the maths on it that I copied off a neutral website, and why would you not use it come on, do it, do it ?

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Well said. Can't think of anything I would add or change.

But yeah, inherent AI functionality is the LAST thing I need or want. Keep it out of the core build. Make AI plug-ins for those that desire it maybe..

Cheers.

@jwz Firefox market share is <6%. Zen is trying to port the much-loved features from the now stagnant Arc, but the result so far is clunky and I've returned to Arc because it's more perfect right now for how I work and play.

Mozilla needs a mission bigger than just a standards-based browser. It should be experimenting with new UX. Not Liquid Glass UI/UX, but Arc-like UX.

Perhaps they should be experimenting with AI, with the goal of making AI invisible to the user without boiling the oceans.

@jwz @gdinwiddie NoBoDy WaNtS iT 🤬

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+1

@jwz it's already done and detached if you look closely. speaking as someone that had their name under yours on that monstrous Makefile https://servo.org/

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I forgot to add: get a decent spell-check. 5/6 suggestions are just letter-salads, not words.

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jo. same
https://digitalcourage.social/@sl007/115923403744995268

@jwz My response in the third block:

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There is no #3. GET THE FSCK OUT OF THE LLM CESSPOOL!

"But everyone else is adopting AI..."

Oh, so I suppose if everyone else jumped off the Empire State Building, *you* would have to jump off the Empire State Building.

LLMs are the 3D movies of tech. A novelty. It *seems* cool, but in truth it's a *dead end.* Save your reputation. Save your *MONEY!* Get off the bandwagon before it sails off the cliff.

@jwz I would happily pay the Foundation IFF they do those things you list. I want my browser to be my tool, not someone else's. I never mind paying for things of value. But I *won't* pay for things which victimize me to enrich someone else.

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mine were like yours

except I also added

3. moving their activity away from the USA to the rest of the world (not just Europe)

@jwz Pocket, LOL - my only interaction with that thing was finding how to disable it. Good riddance.

@jwz Urgh this survey is a trainwreck:

Some real "begging the question" with the second option (if I understand the phrase "begging the question correctly.)

@jwz I would be happy if they just fixed memory leak issues and be faster than chrome