@mavnn @pluralistic yes, the forms, forms, forms is absolutely out of control
no debate there
@[email protected] @[email protected] As a counter example one of my cousins applied for Australian citizenship and was rejected but the process was shorter, cheaper, and the reasons given were clear cut (if borderline enough that they had tried applying regardless). The UK process was long and ridiculous in places, but it was always clear what you had to do next, and where you had to go to get it. The Italians rejected my request on the basis of a rule that they changed retroactively (yay, different right wing government of a few years back) but at least submitting the request took me a fairly small amount of time and money (hundreds of euros, maybe a day of work)